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Posted By Topic: Electricity High Risk Register

MarNissan
Nov 20 2013 08:17

Just another quick question.

When filling out the High Risk Register online, can you complete a record for a site that fails the inspection (using the notes field to explain why).

Or do you only complete one for every \"passed\" installation?
   

AngryClient
Nov 20 2013 09:07

My understanding of the current wording is that yes, an ROI must be filled out at the time of the inspection regardless of the state of compliance. 20 days to load up to database.
But think about what that really means for the worker that provided the COC...

**Opinion**
Energy Safety will no doubt use this as a trigger for the electrical workers involved to be checked and the new High Risk Assessment Group (or whatever it is they will be called) will use this to trigger for the installation to be checked in \"more detail\"
   

Wairewa
Nov 20 2013 09:20

My understanding is that the ROI is logged regardless of pass or fail. Not necessarily going to pot anyone, as it could be a periodic verification for a site without power for >6 months. Maybe the owner decides to bowl the building instead of repairing it. It could be an inspection done and logged for an insurance company - I\'m sure they\'ll all have the database on speed-dial by now. There is also a need to log high risk info for hazardous areas, medical and the like.
   

AlecK
Nov 21 2013 11:02

Those other kinds of inspection don\'t get logged to the database at all, because they are not inspection of HRPEW.

Right now the words os ESRs mean that an RoI must be issued regardless of pass / fail.
But ES have long ago notified their intent of changing htis, so that an ROI will include a declaration that the HRPEW being inspected is compliant & safe.
Which will have the effect of meaning that an ROI can\'t be issued for a \"fail\".

   

AngryClient
Nov 21 2013 11:33

AlecK \"But ES have long ago notified their intent of changing htis, so that an ROI will include a declaration that the HRPEW being inspected is compliant & safe.
Which will have the effect of meaning that an ROI can\'t be issued for a \"fail\".\"

Without being privy to the actual wording if an inspection resulted in failure to comply I would expect that an ROI can be issued to that effect. i.e. Installation DOES NOT comply and WILL NOT be electrically safe and MUST NOT be connected to the supply.

The ES ROI has a statement to that effect already so I suspect that they are expecting the ROI to be issued regardles of the level of compliance. (The exception would be where non compliances are dealt with within the 20 day period for lodging on the database?)
   

AlecK
Nov 21 2013 11:53

The ES RoI form is anticipating the coming changes.
Including having inspector\'s name & Reg in addition to just a signature.

Note there\'s no option for ticking / stating \"not safe & compliant\"; andsigning a form that includes a \" work complies\" statement means the RoI in practice can\'t be iissued for a \"fail\".


   

AngryClient
Nov 21 2013 12:06

See link to ES ROI form. Why would they have that there if they didn\'t intend for it to be used.

Is there something you know that ES don\'t, wait, don\'t answer that!!
http://www.med.govt.nz/energysafety/documents/forms/certification/Record-of-Inspection-form.pdf
   

AlecK
Nov 21 2013 17:14

I stand corrected;.
Should know by now not to rely on memory but always cross check before making statements.

However despite the current form allowing for a \"fail\" result, there is no provision on the HRPEW Register for recording a \"fail; and ES have clearly indicated intention that ROI will be only for HRPEW that is compliant.

Of course we\'ll have to wait and see the final words - next month, or perhaps next year