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Posted By Topic: Advertising in posts for Ron's attention

Andrew
Jun 09 2017 11:06

I thought I'd set up this thread to make it easier for Ron to identify when people are taking advantage of his generous service to advertise in the posts rather than paying for an ad on the site. People can list thread titles and the offending post and Ron can then find and delete them without having to read through every post. I'll list a few in a separate post so that if desired Ron can also delete the post from here once the problem is dealt with.
   

Andrew
Jun 09 2017 11:07

Topic: floor heating
Post: smith982 Jun 07 2017 22:32
   

Andrew
Jun 09 2017 11:07

Topic: Gas Central Heating
Post: smith982 Jun 07 2017 00:20
   

AngryClient
Jun 09 2017 12:18

Ban for advertising? Wait wot?
   

Andrew
Jun 21 2017 09:36

Topic: The US has seen its share
Post: daodi Jun 20 2017 19:42

Topic: provides coverage
Post: ruishua Jun 20 2017 19:41

Topic: which crime insurance
Post: daodi Jun 20 2017 19:41

Topic: evolved as well
Post: ruishua Jun 20 2017 19:37

Topic: embezzle money as well
Post: ruishua Jun 20 2017 19:36
   

OwenK
Dec 05 2017 23:15

aesheatpumps
Dec 05 2017 22:35
Topic: Heat Pumps Installation
   

SteveH
Dec 06 2017 17:40

Arcinovationsmeter chau428 0 Dec 02 2017 15:54

Maybe worthwhile considering co-opting a deputy or two to act as moderators (not that we're a disorderly mob), but more to ping the plonkers posting adds- Tip you'll get more respect and interest if you rent some sidebar space off Ron
   

mf51to1
Dec 16 2017 16:46

I have suggested before to have a 5 (or whatever) post minimum before you can start a topic. That will stop the one-offs dropping in :)
   

mf51to1
Dec 17 2017 17:38

https://www.electricalforum.co.nz/index.php?action=more_details&id=1513408767

More reason to have the minimum post before filling the forum with junk.
   

Andrew
Dec 18 2017 10:06

A minimum post count for new topics just means existing posts get spammed. I'd rather that spammers can have their whole thread deleted. Volunteer moderators is better, but given SteveH's flagging of a legitimate question above, even that seems a little fraught.
It looks like my original purpose for setting up this post has failed anyway...
   

SteveH
Dec 18 2017 12:37

"A minimum post count for new topics just means existing posts get spammed. I'd rather that spammers can have their whole thread deleted. Volunteer moderators is better, but given SteveH's flagging of a legitimate question above, even that seems a little fraught."

My bad, Mods would be a solution, normally with most forum software, there's an undo option, and post counters just lead to a "who can pee higher" competition.

One answer could be for EWRB or EnergySafety to buy site off Ron, and upgrade to new UBB format. Another could be for some serious donations to take place which would allow Ron to spend some coin on upgrades
   

mf51to1
Jan 26 2018 20:42

Maybe Ron will spot this at some point...?
   

evanh
Jan 27 2018 01:47

And what is different forum software meant to achieve?

I'm sure this existing software could be setup to make account creation more of a chore but given the low level of problems currently I wouldn't consider such actions justified.

   

DougP
Jan 27 2018 10:07

I think you're wasting your time trying to get any changes to this site.

I have emailed Ron a couple of times over the last couple of years about a simple 1 letter typo on one page's code, where the search box produces faulty URLs. I didn't even get a reply from Ron and the code is still faulty. It would be a 5 minute job to fix it.

There is much better bulletin board software available these days. Allowing quoting, editing of posts and in-line photos and web links just to name a couple of things. And of course, without the dreaded "forbidden" error that plagues us - meaning that many of us create our posts in different software, to then paste into this site - for fear of losing 10 minutes or more of typing.

But hey, at least this isn't Facebook.
   

SteveH
Jan 27 2018 17:55

"And what is different forum software meant to achieve?"

Glad you asked Evan, a whole bunch of things really.

(1) Post editing- spell something incorrectly and you can change it. Realize that the meaning of your post is unclear and you can change it/or delete it.

(2) More informative posts, rather than one link at the bottom, you can insert links all the way through a post to lead readers to other parts of the web that might help answer their question etc

(3)Insertion of images and PDF's into posts

(4)A series of boards, so you might have
a board dedicated to General Electrical, Appliance Repair, Appliance Testing,Rules & Regs and other special interest groupings rather than a series of threads as we have currently
   

DougP
Jan 27 2018 18:53

I agree.
The motorhome forum is a good example.
Setup and managed by one not so tech savvy guy.
Easy to maintain.

There is a link to the BBS software at the bottom of the page.

http://www.nzmotorhome.co.nz
   

SteveH
Jan 27 2018 21:22

Hi Doug

Yes that is exactly what could be done, useful link too, we've been considering buying a camper for a while.

Good illustration too of how a UBB style Forum can be structured with sub boards (look at Technical Forum) and a Private Forum for access by specific groups of members.
   

evanh
Jan 28 2018 06:02

(1) Post editing. This is neither here nor their. I've used both and they both have their good and bad points. Usage, however, is one clear reason not to allow this feature even if the software can do it.

And user deleting of posts just encourages bad behaviour.


(2) Inline links. This is the only decent reason.


(3) Increase types of forum hosted content. Very bad for usage. I'm surprised it currently allows those tiny useless pictures at all. This would put a big strain on Ron's equipment.


(4) Multiple sub-forums. Most likely already capable of this. Usage, again, is impacted because this would encourage expansion of the types of users visiting.

The rate of posts is far from needing multiple sub-forums.


Summary: Ron would need quite a lot more money to keep such a UBB site afloat.

   

SteveH
Jan 28 2018 09:20

"Summary: Ron would need quite a lot more money to keep such a UBB site afloat."

Yes, it does require a bit more cost as far as hosting goes, depending on plan (storage/speed etc. But not excessive, and could be subsidized by paid advertising, by subscription or a mixture of both.



   

Sarmajor
Jan 28 2018 12:05

Most forums solve the picture problem by using links to picture hosting sites. That way Ron only has to hold thumbnails and links to the original.
   

evanh
Jan 28 2018 14:22

I'm certainly not in any rush to encourage Ron to spend more on a needless set of features. The forum works just fine as is.

It is solid and efficient. It's easy to contribute to. There's no commercial bullshit to put up with.

And I bet that all makes it a lot easier to maintain too!


   

SteveH
Jan 28 2018 15:59

"Most forums solve the picture problem by using links to picture hosting sites. That way Ron only has to hold thumbnails and links to the original."

Yes, that's certainly an option to save hosting space (and cost).

From Doug's earlier comment, don't think Ron (or his web admin) spends any time maintaining this forum.

Requiring a number of posts to existing threads might slow down some of the spammers
   

SteveH
Jan 28 2018 16:01

Topic: Mississauga Electrical Services


   

DougP
Jan 28 2018 22:21

You're forgetting about more important functions, like quoting original posts, or threading of replies, or being able to open and edit a post if you make an error or omission. Also email notifications of replies might be useful. Or even simply just being able to type into the message section, and know that your text is not going to be randomly lost, because of a database error (the "forbidden").

Then there is more basic functions like authenticating new members before allowing them to post. Even on Facebook groups, 99% of people are using their real names. It's not difficult to check if an electrician is actually registered - if you wanted to actually restrict it to electrical trades people. Even the Electrical Contractors Facebook group requires a verification for membership.

As for strain on Ron's equipment - the site is hosted on a third party server. Storage is cheaper now than it used to be, and also hosting costs and options are more competitive.

It's quite possible that there could be much cheaper hosting than the NZ provider he currently uses. Just on a 10 second search, I found another NZ provider which has double Ron's storage and data volume for the same cost as he's paying. And another quick search I found 5 times the storage space with unlimited bandwidth, for the for around half the price. If you're not aware, we're talking $5-$10 per month for email and site hosting, and possibly $40 per year for the domain name registration.
   

evanh
Jan 29 2018 03:36

Doug,
The real name thing is hardly needed is it? Are we going to be another Nazi group now?

Sounds like you've already found your preferred haunt at Facebook.


On top of the extra costs, are you offering to put the time in to run this burden?


The "forbidden" error has been shown to be a browser side problem. Probably either the browser is trying to do Unicode or HTML injections.

I've never struck it by accident.

   

DougP
Jan 29 2018 08:25

You're right evanh. It would only be about the time required to upgrade the site to a more modern platform.

I was pointing out that it's not about the cost. There are much better hosting option at lower cost that what he is paying now.

And no I wasn't suggesting that using real names should be a requirement, I was just comparing that with the free Facebook platform, most users do use their real names.
   

evanh
Jan 29 2018 11:20

It will cost more simply because the both the load and traffic will increase substantially. It's the nature of adding features.

I no longer understand why Facebook was referenced.

   

evanh
Jan 29 2018 11:22

And the level of maintenance required will go up too.


   

SteveH
Jan 30 2018 06:36

So far, seems as though only Evan is in favour of the status quo, so 4-1 would like to see an improved Electrical Forum apparently.

Another feature of modern UBB style boards is the ability to be able to start of a poll that registered members can vote on :)


   

Andrew
Jan 30 2018 10:09

But in this case it's only Ron's vote that counts - all we can do is supply the money to fund it :)

I think this thread is a failure in its original intent, it's a shame it can't be renamed to reflect what the discussion has become about.
   

DougP
Jan 30 2018 17:31

Considering you haven't even received a reply from Ron about this thread in 7 months, I wouldn't hold your breath Andrew.
   

mf51to1
Feb 15 2018 21:42

https://www.electricalforum.co.nz/index.php?action=more_details&id=1518637857

Do we really need topics like this?
   

SteveH
Feb 16 2018 08:02

"mf51to1
Feb 15 2018 21:42

Do we really need topics like this?"

Why not? this is the "Electrical Forum", and the poster had a genuine "electrical" question.

But it does provide an argument for an upgraded forum with a "Public Section" anyone with an electrical question can post to and a private members only area, in subsections for different areas of interest.

   

Andrew
Feb 16 2018 10:25

There's a lot of value in these kinds of posts. The person posting is seeking good advice rather than blundering ahead and assuming they've got it right, which is something we should encourage. Generally it's easy to spot when someone is out of their depth and recommend they get a professional.
   

mf51to1
Feb 16 2018 19:37

[quote]Why not? this is the "Electrical Forum", and the poster had a genuine "electrical" question.[/quote]

But this forum is really "Online assistance for electrical trade people" not Joe Bloggs DIY.
I agree with you that a second section for the general, DIY based, questions is a good idea though.
   

SteveH
Feb 16 2018 21:03

"But this forum is really "Online assistance for electrical trade people" not Joe Bloggs DIY"

That is Ron's intention, but nothing in the registration process prevents a "non" trade would be poster from joining the Forum, again a great argument for an upgrade.

With an updated format as outlined above, would be users could "register" to join and post to General (or public area), and to access Trade Only area, a PL number could be required.