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Posted By Topic: UK 10A IEC Leads For Sale In NZ

SteveH
May 23 2018 23:10

Dropped by my local branch of a popular electronics chain to grab some IEC leads, browsing their stock noticed that they had a bunch of UK plugged IEC leads- asked the dude behind the counter why? apparently folk who have imported a UK built caravan use them to connect appliances to the socket outlets in them....On what level does this would?
   

SteveH
May 23 2018 23:12

work:) Be nice to have an edit feature
   

pluto
May 24 2018 07:33

A caravan or motorhome with UK standard 13 A socket outlets would NOT comply with AS/NZS 3001 Appendix C for the issue of a WoEF in NZ.

Therefore the WoEF for the caravam or motorhom is NOT a valid WoEF.
   

Andrew
May 24 2018 10:00

If the caravan is not a connectable installation (i.e. it has its own battery/PV/other supply and can\'t connect to a mains supply), then it\'s ok to use UK sockets and UK appliances.
   

AlecK
May 24 2018 10:49

Pluto should know better.
There is NOTHING in either Part 1 of \"3000\", or App C of 3001, that makes a UK-type socket non-compliant for use in NZ. Accordingly a connectable installation that includes such sockets can be issued with a valid WoEF.

For Part 1:
Energy safety\'s senior technical advisor has stated that where not for general use, eg where installed for a particular appliance which has a matching plug), there is nothing wrong with them remaining in service.
Worksafe have since published a document that includes a statement that they are non-compliant with clause 1.7.3; but that opinion is just plain wrong; being based on a misunderstanding of the wording \"deemed to satisfy\". If anything further were needed - which of course it isn\'t - the new \"3000\" will have 2 clause that specifically allow use of this type of socket under Part 2 - and anything in Part 2 automatically complies with Part 1.


For App C, the only requirements relating to types of socket are:

C6.11 For caravans manufactured after 1 April 1993, external socket-outlets shall be verified as being provided with personal protection (ie protected by an RCD or isolating transformer.

C6.12 Single phase sockets shall provide a 230 V / 50 Hz supply. Three phase sockets shall provide A 400 V / ho Hz supply.
C6.11

C7.1 Socket-outlets shall be verified as having correct polarity.

There\'s not even anything in the main body of \"3001\" to prohibit a UK-type socket being installed into a NZ caravan. And \"3000\" part 2 doesn\'t either< Clause 4.4.1.1 lists 4 types that are specifically allowed, but also allows \"Standards equivalent thereto\".

WRT cravans, what ES does NOT want is people using travel adaptors to allow \"3112\" plugs to be used with UK (or other foreign) sockets. That\'s because most travel adaptors are crap quality. A properly made up adaptor cord does not have the same safety issues.

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It would be nice if people would refrain from making bold claims based on what they (presumably) think \"ought\" to be in the rules, instead of what actually is in the rules. For someone who is constantly claiming superior knowledge by being on the relevant Committee to do this is particularly unhelpful - and there\'s simply no excuse for it.
   

pluto
May 24 2018 12:24


AlecK
Your comment (part only)
There\'s not even anything in the main body of \"3001\" to prohibit a UK-type socket being installed into a NZ caravan. And \"3000\" part 2 doesn\'t either< Clause 4.4.1.1 lists 4 types that are specifically allowed, but also allows \"Standards equivalent thereto\".

My comment
Yes I agree that Appendix C of 3001 currently does not specify AS/NZS 3112 is the socket outlet standard, but did you read AS/NZS 3001:2008 clause 3.6.3.2 which reads as follows:
3.6.3.2 Low-voltage socket-outlets
Single phase, 10 A socket outlets shall accommodate a three-pin flat-pin plug, and shall comply with AS/NZS 3112 and provide a nominal 230 volt supply.

Thus the UK type socket is excluded by detailing of AS/NZS 3112 is the only permitted socket outlet.
It would appear that a good read of AS/NZS 3001 should be made by those issuing WoEF.

For the information of all readers there are major changes coming for the certification of overseas built in Europe to IEC 60364 and IEC 60364-7-721 coming, details will be released shortly.


   

Satobsat
May 24 2018 13:11

\"Yes I agree that Appendix C of 3001 currently does not specify AS/NZS 3112 is the socket outlet standard, but did you read AS/NZS 3001:2008 clause 3.6.3.2 which reads as follows:
3.6.3.2 Low-voltage socket-outlets
Single phase, 10 A socket outlets shall accommodate a three-pin flat-pin plug, and shall comply with AS/NZS 3112 and provide a nominal 230 volt supply.

Thus the UK type socket is excluded by detailing of AS/NZS 3112 is the only permitted socket outlet.\"

Only applies to 10A rated sockets. UK sockets are rated for 13A. Thus AS/NZS 3001:2008 clause 3.6.3.2 would not apply.
   

AlecK
May 24 2018 14:19

Exactly.

But more importantly, those pontificating about what is and isn\'t acceptable for issue of a WoEF need to understand that the Rules for WoEF are different from those applying to installation work. The main body of \"3001\" - including 3.6.3.2 - is simply NOT relevant for WoEF.



For an NZ-built unit, ONLY App C matters.
And for an imported one, it\'s Part1 + App C.

Rather than (or perhaps more \"as well as\") Pluto\'s suggested \"good read of AS/NZS 3001\"; what\'s needed is a good read of ESRs !
   

frostybird
May 24 2018 17:17

I am curious what the electrical hazard is with the use of 13A IEC fused plugs in NZ. I realise that folks may try and force in a 10A AS/NZ plug but this would be pretty difficult. It may be inconvenient to have appliances with different plugs but then not many appliances are generally used in a caravan.

The point made that the standard applies to 10 amp outlets not 13 amp is useful when considering compliance.

It may of course be the different flow of electricity in the Northern and Southern hemispheres.


   

Satobsat
May 24 2018 17:36

As AlecK pointed out, UK socket outlets result in people using travel adapters to plug NZ 3112 plugged appliances in. Below are a couple of links showing why some cheap travel adapters are dangerous. They are from the UK perspective but same rules apply.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESIzuV6kdWY
   

Satobsat
May 24 2018 17:38

Here is another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB1DlBpyS9w
   

Tex431
May 26 2018 18:20

I have seen some in a house,
   

SteveH
May 27 2018 00:08

\"I have seen some in a house\"

Struck several UK Tradies working on EQR sites with UK power reels and tools with 13A UK plugs, wanting their gear TnT\'ed, suggested they go buy gear with 3112 plugs.
   

BrianW
May 27 2018 10:12

and That, campers, is why we have such a problem with different interpretations of the rules.

Very few people, include the \'experts\' actually take the time to Read the rules in their entirety, and put effort into Understanding them, choosing instead to cherry pick the ones that suit their particular argument at the time, and using their own take on that to \'inform\' others at the wholesalers smoko room table of what \'Must\' be done.

Ive dealt with some pretty mixed up apprentices, and more than a few tradesmen, over the rules in my time, but more so in the past ten years than the previous thirty.

It seems that unless new rules are delivered and spoon fed and some road show run by someone with their own particular interpretation, and agenda, no one really knows about them until they\'re faced with difficult questions.

Read, people. Read !!

Were supposed to be professional people, with presumably good education and a better skill set than most, yet we seem to be constantly unable to agree with one another over what the rules are for almost any given situation.

Read, and All will become clear.
   

pluto
May 27 2018 13:37

BrianW May 27 2018 10:12

+1
   

AlecK
May 27 2018 14:07

seconded.