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Posted By Topic: 16Amp Plug- 3 X16Amp Socket Connectors

SteveH
Mar 27 2019 23:07

16 Amp lead, supplied by Jackon for their Festoon Lighting system, has a moulded end with three 16Amp socket connectors.

To comply with AS/NZS 3012 for use on a C&D site, an Extension Lead can only have one plug and socket connector, so doesn't tick that box.

An item with three or more outlets is classified as a Portable Socket Outlet Assembly and to comply with 3012 must have a class H RCD, MCB and outlets individually switched, so doesn't tick any of those boxes either.

Fine for use outdoors, events etc, but non compliant for site use?
https://jackson.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/ChainLight-3up-LG16-Philips-LED-Bulb-2017.jpg
   

DougP
Mar 28 2019 19:07

I would agree. Except it's 2 or more outlets isn't it?
   

SteveH
Mar 28 2019 22:01

Yes that's correct Doug, having 3 or more outlets requires an MCB. Wonder if Jacksons thinking is along the lines of, "this isn't a PSOA as it's fitted with socket connectors" and therefore doesn't need to tick the boxes listed in 2.6.10- but they are choosing to ignore the requirements for Accessories For Connection contained in 2.6.6
   

dbuckley
Mar 28 2019 23:26

Jackson will probably say "You used them on C&D? Oh you are a bad boy, they are not rated for that, but the event industry guys love them". Blind eye and all that.
   

pluto
Mar 29 2019 01:05

They a componet part of the temporary lighting systrm and not marketed as PSOA

As every socket outlet om a C&D site is required RCD and overcurrent protected how could they be considered to be electrically unsafe?
   

SteveH
Mar 29 2019 08:34

"They a componet part of the temporary lighting systrm and not marketed as PSOA

As every socket outlet om a C&D site is required RCD and overcurrent protected how could they be considered to be electrically unsafe?"

Never said they were inherently unsafe, simply that they don't appear to comply with the requirements of 3012 for use on C&D sites.

There is nothing in their construction that "limits' their use to only temp lighting circuits.
   

AlecK
Mar 29 2019 10:08

It's not Jacksons that are ignoring the Standard. As you admitted earlier, this product is perfectly OK for other applications.
If someone wants to use this product on a building site contrary that's the user's look-out; not the manufacturer's
Note also that "3012" is not mandated for NZ building sites, either by ESRs or by WHS regs.
So yes not compliant, but doesn't have to comply; and not unsafe; so not unlawful to use even on a building site.
Supplied and used for intended pupose, ie as part of a TPL system; it's a better solution than the alternative of taking up 3 sockets on the switchboard.
In many cases where TPL is used, and always for building sites doing night work, the TPL system will incorporate emergency lighting; in which case all the detachable connections are secured.
   

Ristov
Mar 29 2019 17:05

Construction sites generally have a policy where everything must be test tagged. So it doesn't matter if it's lawful to use or not, if it can't be test and tagged to 3012, it cannot be used.
   

pluto
Mar 30 2019 17:20

Test and tag is NOT done to AS/NZS 3012 at all,so you have to use AS/NZS 3760.
   

SteveH
Mar 31 2019 20:29

"Test and tag is NOT done to AS/NZS 3012 at all,so you have to use AS/NZS 3760.,"

25 Specific installations, fittings, and appliances deemed to be electrically safe

Despite anything in these regulations, the following installations, fittings, and appliances are deemed to be electrically safe if they comply with the standards indicated and are used in accordance with those standards:

(d)construction sites: AS/NZS 3012:


Certainly true that the testing methodology is in 3760, but if the principals in charge of a C&D site are using E(S)R 25 D to get to deemed safe, then anything tested and tagged for use on that site have to meet the requirements contained in 3012, ie retest intervals, PSOA's, Tapon plugs

Clause 3.8.2 Non Compliant Equipment- where inspection or testing identifies equipment that does not comply with 3012, it shall be tagged with a label warning against further use etc

But of course all this only applies if the site principal requires it, because as we all know, it's not a legal requirement to test and tag
   

Someone
Mar 31 2019 21:22

Hmm. I had considered that 3000 required you to comply with 3012, but that's only in the context of electrical *installations* - not appliances, leads etc.
   

AlecK
Apr 01 2019 09:33

Exactly. ESR 25 only applies to "electrical installations", not to appliances etc used on the site. Same with ESR 75 for the 6-monthly "periodic assessment" by Inspector.

So there's no absolute requirement to follow "3012; but if you do you get "deemed safe". And "3012" is also the Standard the installation gets assessed against, but as there's no requirement to "pass"; a "fail" doesn't result in shut-down, just in deficiencies being noted in the assessment.

However even though it's not mandated by any Regulation, a site's WHS rules can still require T&T; so need to look at what the Standards say about that.

TPL , like ACS systems, is part of "construction wiring"; so 3.4.2 / Table 3 calls for 6-monthly visual inspection. T&T is not called for. So whatever "3760" may say about requirements for "other electrical equipment" doesn't matter.
Similarly as long as these units are used only for TPL; as "construction wiring" they are not used as "cord extension sets" so i don't believe the prohibition on multiple connection facilities in 2.6.6 can apply.




   

SteveH
Apr 01 2019 16:43

"Exactly. ESR 25 only applies to "electrical installations", not to appliances etc used on the site"

Best put your glasses on fellas

"25 Specific installations, fittings, and appliances deemed to be electrically safe"

The clause reads Installations, fittings and appliances and clearly must apply to those things it mentions.
   

AlecK
Apr 01 2019 17:05

Yes, got that one wrong. But since it's not a "must comply" it changes nothing. The periodic assessment in ESARE 75 IS restricted to "installatiohns.
And the TPL system remains part of "construction wiring", so NOT required to be T&T'd EVEN if "3012" is being used to get to "deemed safe".