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Posted By Topic: 3000:2018

AngryClient
May 17 2019 16:39

Who saw Neil say that the new version "may never be cited in Regulations" - Electrolink today

Discuss
   

mowgli
May 17 2019 22:08

They've said for a long time that the new rules won't be cited before the first amendment is applied. So technically, he is correct. The current version of the new rules may never be cited.

I don't have access to the current edition of Electrolink.
   

AlecK
May 18 2019 08:10

Latest word from ES's STA (Wednesday) is that tghe ESRs amendment likely end 2019 will affect Schedules 2 & 4 only.
IE updating citations, but not changing regs.

Likely that 3000 2007+A1+A2 & 3000:2018 will be co-cited; and that the citation of 2007 will have additional changes-by-citation to those already there - effectively to bring some key bits of 2018 edition into 2007 edition (eg downlights).

Timing is such that the ESRs amendment will bi in production before A1 to 3000:2018 is finished. Currently A1 is due for publication Dec, while close-off for the ESRs changes will probably be end June. So they may anticipate that it will get across the line and cite it as inc A1, or leave it alone, or maybe do some changes-by-citation to it as well
   

Jingo
May 28 2019 20:03

NZ standards website states the 2018 has superseded 2007.
This would mean it is in effect ?

   

daniel2
May 28 2019 22:38

No.

I've heard and have read that may not even be sited till at least 2021.
   

AlecK
May 29 2019 08:15

Standards are tagged as superceded as soon as a later version is published.

In most States of Oz, the citations are generic and amendments / revisions come into force 6 months after publication.
In NZ they come into force when a specific edition is cited. For us Schedule 2 of ESRs governs which version we have to comply with.

   

RacyJC
May 29 2019 09:01

This is a great topic as I have been told that the 3000:2000 is still valid and checking the gazette, just found in 2013 that someone was fined under the 3000:2000 standard. I know today is quite some time later but how do we find out?

So yeah how do we ACTUALLY find out what standard can be cited in a court of law?
   

OctaneOutlaw
May 29 2019 09:15

I believe Schedule 2 near the bottom of the Electrical Safety Regulations covers what editions are cited
   

mowgli
May 29 2019 09:17

It depends on when the work was done as to which set of standards will be applied in a court of law.

The current standards are cited in ESR Schedule 2. Pay particular attention to any amendments included in the citation. AS/NZS 3000 has a few.
   

AlecK
May 29 2019 09:36

Yes, Schedule 2 determines which version(s) apply.

If you look for AS/NZS 3000; you'll find that the version cited is 2007 including amendments 1 & 2; but also subject to 4 changes to particular clauses that are imposed by the citation itself.

The citation for "5033" also has a change-by-citation.

When it comes to cases before EWRB or other courts, what matters is which rules applied at the time the work was done.
Generally charges are laid as offences against the Act. Sometimes as offences against the regulations. If a Standard that is mandated by ESRs is not complied with, that is evidence of breaching the Reg / Act, rather than an offence in its own right.


It also matters whether the Standard / code of practice / whatever is cited as being mandatory or otherwise in whichever particular regulation cites it.
Standards cited in ESR 60 are all mandatory; you must comply with them WRT the matters mention in the ESR. Standards cited in ESR 25 are not mandatory; but instead provide "bumcover". How that works is that (for example) ESR13 requires work done on works or installations to result in that installation / works being "electrically safe". For the types of installations mentioned in ESR 25, if they comply with the relevant Standard they are deemed to satisfy that requirement. So while you don't have to comply, if you don't you might be found not to have reached "electrically safe".

"3012" is a good example because it's cited in several ESRs, and not always as mandatory. Under ESR 60, a building site switchboard has to comply with "3000"; but under ESR 60 it doesn't have to comply with "3012". So a minor breach of 3012 that doesn't prevent it being "electrically safe" can't be enforced. However 6 months down the track when the switchboard has to be re-checked by an Inspector under ESR 75; the periodic assessment must be done i.a.w "3012".